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De volta às mesas
  zigor, Dec 30 2007

Após um tempo sem jogar poker, voltei e fiz um pequena sessão hoje. Vou fazer sessões mais curtas, pois meu rendimento cai bastante quando jogo por muito tempo seguido.
Continuo cometendo os mesmos erros, como tentar dar slowplay(E SEMPRE me ferrar), subestimar shortstaks (e perder muito dinheiro pra eles).

Enviado Por : zigor

GAME #778989719: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-31 01:46:44
Table Tennessee
Seat 1: CarmenlaTerrible ($0.97 in chips)
Seat 2: maxxou77 ($4.63 in chips)
Seat 3: zigorrr ($4.95 in chips)
Seat 5: Andris1981 ($0.97 in chips)
Seat 6: fritz233 ($6.09 in chips)
Seat 7: mark9974 ($1.08 in chips)
Seat 8: k0ni89 ($0.70 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: lnpokerAA ($0.98 in chips)
lnpokerAA: Post SB $0.01
CarmenlaTerrible: Post BB $0.02

Cartas Recebidas(Odds)
Dealt to zigorrr QdAc
Dealt to Andris1981 JcJd
maxxou77: Call $0.02
zigorrr : Raise $0.12
Andris1981: Call $0.12
fritz233: Fold
mark9974: Fold
k0ni89: Raise $0.22
lnpokerAA: Fold
CarmenlaTerrible: Fold
maxxou77: Fold
zigorrr : Call $0.10
Andris1981: Call $0.10

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.71)

   Js9c7h
zigorrr : Check
Andris1981: Check
k0ni89: Check

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $0.71)

   Js9c7h5c
zigorrr : Bet $0.25
Andris1981: Raise $0.50
k0ni89: Fold
zigorrr : Call $0.25

River (Pot : $1.71)

   Js9c7h5cQh
zigorrr : Bet $0.25
Andris1981: Allin $0.25

Resumo
Total pot $2.11 Rake $0.10
Andris1981: wins $2.11



Essa mão é um bom exemplo disso. Joguei tão mal essa mão que nem sei dizer onde foi que eu errei.

Preciso também rever meu jogo com KQo KQs KJs KJo, pois estou perdendo dinheiro com essas mãos.

Enviado Por : zigor

GAME #778915122: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-31 00:34:10
Table Abbas (Beginner)
Seat 1: cuisto44 ($0.53 in chips)
Seat 2: Vessobel ($0.46 in chips)
Seat 3: ologos ($3.09 in chips)
Seat 4: zigorrr ($4.97 in chips)
Seat 5: bleufeur07 ($3.54 in chips)
Seat 6: streetgirl ($1.98 in chips) DEALER
Seat 7: swister ($1.06 in chips)
Seat 8: andrys25 ($4.60 in chips)
Seat 9: Cathelijne ($5.39 in chips)
swister: Post SB $0.01
andrys25: Post BB $0.02
bleufeur07: Post BB $0.02

Cartas Recebidas
Dealt to zigorrr KcQd
Cathelijne: Call $0.02
cuisto44: Call $0.02
Vessobel: Call $0.02
ologos: Fold
zigorrr : Raise $0.12
bleufeur07: Call $0.10
streetgirl: Fold
swister: Fold
andrys25: Fold
Cathelijne: Fold
cuisto44: Fold
Vessobel: Fold

Flop (Pot : $0.33)

   8c4c3s
zigorrr : Bet $0.20
bleufeur07: Allin $3.42
zigorrr : Fold

Resumo
Total pot $3.90 Rake $0.05
bleufeur07: wins $3.90



Tinha acabado de entrar nessa mesa e não tinha reads desse cara. Tentei mandar uma cbet e tomei um raise all-in. Não consigo nem ter uma idéia do que ele poderia ter nessa mão.

Enviado Por : zigor

GAME #778946896: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-31 01:03:04
Table Micronesia (Beginner)
Seat 1: scottyhh ($2.03 in chips)
Seat 2: murka83 ($5.21 in chips)
Seat 3: PatatAppie ($1.28 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: Martinofiets ($0.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Shogasiin ($2.11 in chips)
Seat 7: zigorrr ($5.17 in chips)
Seat 8: streetgirl ($1.91 in chips)
Seat 9: andrys25 ($3.89 in chips)
Seat 10: 1peterpan ($0.73 in chips)
Martinofiets: Post SB $0.01
Shogasiin: Post BB $0.02

Cartas Recebidas(Odds)
Dealt to scottyhh KhKc
Dealt to zigorrr QdQh
zigorrr: Raise $0.10
streetgirl: Fold
andrys25: Fold
1peterpan: Fold
scottyhh : Call $0.10
murka83: Call $0.10
PatatAppie: Call $0.10
Martinofiets: Fold
Shogasiin: Fold

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.43)

   9h5h8h
zigorrr: Bet $0.50
scottyhh : Raise $1.00
murka83: Fold
PatatAppie: Fold
zigorrr: Raise $1.00
scottyhh : Allin $0.93
zigorrr: Call $0.43

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $4.29)

   9h5h8h5c

River (Pot : $4.29)

   9h5h8h5c9c

Resumo
Total pot $4.19 Rake $0.10
scottyhh : wins $4.19



Essa foi foda, não sei se eu deveria ter respeitado o raise de botão dele.

Enviado Por : zigor

GAME #778964077: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-31 01:19:34
Table Micronesia (Beginner)
Seat 2: murka83 ($3.88 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: PatatAppie ($1.93 in chips)
Seat 7: zigorrr ($6.09 in chips)
Seat 9: andrys25 ($4.00 in chips)
PatatAppie : Post SB $0.01
zigorrr: Post BB $0.02

Cartas Recebidas(Odds)
Dealt to PatatAppie Kc7h
Dealt to zigorrr Kh4h
andrys25: Call $0.02
murka83: Fold
PatatAppie : Call $0.01
zigorrr: Check

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.06)

   4d6cKs
PatatAppie : Bet $0.08
zigorrr: Raise $0.24
andrys25: Fold
PatatAppie : Call $0.16

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $0.54)

   4d6cKs9s
PatatAppie : Bet $0.02
zigorrr: Raise $5.83
PatatAppie : Allin $1.65

River (Pot : $8.04)

   4d6cKs9s2d

Resumo
Total pot $7.94 Rake $0.10
zigorrr: wins $7.94


Essa mina sempre via flops com qualquer figura na mão, e não largava o pote quando flopava toppair. Eu estava só esperando uma hora em que acontecesse isso para eu pegar todo o dinheiro dela. E aconteceu.

Enviado Por : zigor

GAME #778955196: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-31 01:10:52
Table Micronesia (Beginner)
Seat 2: murka83 ($4.21 in chips)
Seat 3: PatatAppie ($0.97 in chips)
Seat 7: zigorrr ($4.99 in chips) DEALER
Seat 8: streetgirl ($1.86 in chips)
Seat 9: andrys25 ($4.74 in chips)
streetgirl: Post SB $0.01
andrys25: Post BB $0.02

Cartas Recebidas(Odds)
Dealt to zigorrr 9c9d
Dealt to andrys25 QcAd
murka83: Call $0.02
PatatAppie: Call $0.02
zigorrr : Raise $0.12
streetgirl: Fold
andrys25: Call $0.10
murka83: Call $0.10
PatatAppie: Fold

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.39)

   2d3h2s
andrys25: Check
murka83: Check
zigorrr : Bet $0.30
andrys25: Call $0.30
murka83: Fold

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $0.99)

   2d3h2s2c
andrys25: Bet $0.12
zigorrr : Raise $0.50
andrys25: Call $0.38

River (Pot : $1.99)

   2d3h2s2c9h
andrys25: Bet $0.12
zigorrr : Raise $1.00
andrys25: Call $0.88

Resumo
Total pot $3.89 Rake $0.10
zigorrr : wins $3.89


Sabia que esse cara não largava maos tipo AK e AQ quando o board só apresentava cartas baixas. Ainda dei sorte de bater um 9 no river e me dar um full-house, mas isso era desnecessário.


Uma das mesas acabou ficando heads-up, e continuei jogando, pois o cara parecia meio puto comigo.
Uma das mãos mostra claramente por que eu nao devo tentar slowplay nesses niveis:

Enviado Por : zigor

GAME #778969957: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-31 01:25:38
Table Micronesia (Beginner)
Seat 2: murka83 ($3.63 in chips) DEALER
Seat 7: zigorrr ($7.91 in chips)
Seat 9: andrys25 ($4.16 in chips)
zigorrr: Post SB $0.01
andrys25 : Post BB $0.02

Cartas Recebidas(Odds)
Dealt to andrys25 Qh2d
Dealt to zigorrr AhAs
murka83: Fold
zigorrr: Call $0.01
andrys25 : Check

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.04)

   5s8hJd
zigorrr: Check
andrys25 : Check

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $0.04)

   5s8hJdTd
zigorrr: Bet $0.04
andrys25 : Call $0.04

River (Pot : $0.12)

   5s8hJdTd9s
zigorrr: Bet $0.20
andrys25 : Raise $0.80
zigorrr: Call $0.60

Resumo
Total pot $1.62 Rake $0.10
andrys25 : wins $1.62



Então a mão que salvou minha sessão:
Eu estava dando raises toda hora e jogando bem agressivamente, o cara parecia pagar só por desconfiar de mim. Aí no final ele pagou caro.

Enviado Por : zigor

GAME #778978596: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-31 01:34:32
Table Micronesia (Beginner)
Seat 7: zigorrr ($7.40 in chips)
Seat 9: andrys25 ($5.78 in chips) DEALER
andrys25: Post SB $0.01
zigorrr : Post BB $0.02

Cartas Recebidas(Odds)
Dealt to zigorrr AhQs
Dealt to andrys25 TcQd
andrys25: Call $0.01
zigorrr : Raise $0.10
andrys25: Call $0.10

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.24)

   Qc5s7c
zigorrr : Bet $0.24
andrys25: Allin $5.66
zigorrr : Call $5.42

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $11.56)

   Qc5s7c4s

River (Pot : $11.56)

   Qc5s7c4s9d

Resumo
Total pot $11.46 Rake $0.10
zigorrr : wins $11.46




Resumo:
Mãos jogadas: 147
Saldo: +$5,03




Comments (2)


Primeiro Post
  zigor, Dec 26 2007

Como jogo Cash 0.01/0.02 no Titan Poker há apenas uma semana, as mãos e jogadas que postarei aqui provavelmente não importarão a ninguém. Porém, acho que será bom para o meu desenvolvimento de jogo discutir algumas mãos.
Já é a segunda noite que perco grana para caras completamente retardados. Ao invés de continuar com um jogo sólido, eu tento jogar mãos mais marginais para tentar pegar o dinheiro dos patos que vêem 80% dos flops e dão calls e blefes absurdos e acabo sempre me dando mal.
Comecei a sessão ganhando bastante dinheiro, cheguei a dobrar o BI nas duas mesas que eu estava jogando em pouco tempo, só me envolvendo em potes grandes com mãos realmente fortes.

GAME #773145861: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-26 01:35:16
Table Micronesia (Beginner)
Seat 1: arkalwas ($2.35 in chips)
Seat 2: nebutzermane ($1.00 in chips)
Seat 3: carlitos14100 ($1.09 in chips)
Seat 5: Idbetmynuts ($5.98 in chips)
Seat 6: xElenkax ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 7: zigorrr ($5.43 in chips)
Seat 8: BESSsss ($4.85 in chips)
Seat 9: ScepticJB ($3.40 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: Svenson89 ($6.03 in chips)
Svenson89: Post SB $0.01
arkalwas: Post BB $0.02
nebutzermane: Post BB $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to arkalwas [SQ DQ]
Dealt to zigorrr [DK HK]
nebutzermane: Check
carlitos14100: Call $0.02
Idbetmynuts: Fold
xElenkax: Fold
zigorrr: Raise $0.12
BESSsss: Call $0.12
ScepticJB: Fold
Svenson89: Fold
arkalwas: Raise $0.28
nebutzermane: Fold
carlitos14100: Call $0.28
zigorrr: Raise $0.90
BESSsss: Fold
arkalwas: Call $0.72
carlitos14100: Fold
*** FLOP *** [C5 S4 H7]
arkalwas: Check
zigorrr: Bet $2.00
arkalwas: Allin $1.33
*** TURN *** [C9]
*** RIVER *** [S8]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.72 Rake $0.10
zigorrr: wins $5.72

GAME #773224244: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-26 04:04:24
Table Abbas (Beginner)
Seat 1: nurf6 ($6.84 in chips)
Seat 2: Pigstarocks ($2.07 in chips)
Seat 3: 365pokerplay ($3.24 in chips)
Seat 5: zdl ($3.42 in chips)
Seat 6: zigorrr ($8.36 in chips) DEALER
Seat 9: rmonks ($1.36 in chips)
rmonks: Post SB $0.01
nurf6: Post BB $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rmonks [D7 CK]
Dealt to zigorrr [DK DJ]
Pigstarocks: Fold
365pokerplay: Fold
zdl: Fold
zigorrr: Raise $0.08
rmonks: Call $0.07
nurf6: Fold
*** FLOP *** [D9 HJ H7]
rmonks: Bet $0.10
zigorrr: Raise $0.30
rmonks: Call $0.20
*** TURN *** [HK]
rmonks: Bet $0.10
zigorrr: Call $0.10
*** RIVER *** [S4]
rmonks: Allin $0.88
zigorrr: Call $0.88
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.64 Rake $0.10
zigorrr: wins $2.64

GAME #773228992: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-26 04:18:24
Table Abbas (Beginner)
Seat 6: zigorrr ($11.22 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: rmonks ($4.14 in chips)
zigorrr: Post SB $0.01
rmonks: Post BB $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zigorrr [D9 S8]
Dealt to rmonks [CJ C6]
zigorrr: Call $0.01
rmonks: Check
*** FLOP *** [H5 S4 S9]
rmonks: Check
zigorrr: Bet $0.10
rmonks: Call $0.10
*** TURN *** [H6]
rmonks: Bet $0.12
zigorrr: Raise $0.40
rmonks: Call $0.28
*** RIVER *** [H2]
rmonks: Bet $0.46
zigorrr: Call $0.46
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.86 Rake $0.10
zigorrr: wins $1.86


Esse rmonks era completamente sem noção, não largava mid pair e bottom pair nem fudendo, tentava blefar fora de posição sem nada. Ele sempre entrava com pouco dinheiro na mesa e eu peguei todo o dinheiro dele umas 3 ou 4 vezes.

Mas como eu disse, como tinha muito retardado jogando 80% das maos, eu perco a paciência e aí começo a perder dinheiro:

GAME #773202765: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-26 03:11:26
Table Abbas (Beginner)
Seat 1: nurf6 ($0.78 in chips)
Seat 6: zigorrr ($11.42 in chips)
Seat 8: beatal2729 ($2.26 in chips)
Seat 10: Benezinho ($2.33 in chips) DEALER
nurf6: Post SB $0.01
zigorrr: Post BB $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nurf6 [H9 HJ]
Dealt to zigorrr [S8 D8]
beatal2729: Fold
Benezinho: Call $0.02
nurf6: Raise $0.03
zigorrr: Raise $0.12
Benezinho: Fold
nurf6: Raise $0.20
zigorrr: Raise $11.28
nurf6: Allin $0.54
*** FLOP *** [HK D7 D3]
*** TURN *** [S9]
*** RIVER *** [S6]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.12 Rake $0.10
nurf6: wins $1.48
zigorrr: wins $10.64

Aqui eu sabia que ele ia dar Call/raise com qualquer lixo. Só não prestei atenção ao fato de com qualquer duas cartas maiores que 8 ele ter praticamente 50% de chances de levar o pote. Talvez fosse melhor nao dar All-in e jogar o flop.


GAME #773222154: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-26 03:58:21
Table Abbas (Beginner)
Seat 1: nurf6 ($7.28 in chips)
Seat 2: Pigstarocks ($2.11 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: 365pokerplay ($1.63 in chips)
Seat 5: zdl ($2.86 in chips)
Seat 6: zigorrr ($9.12 in chips)
Seat 9: rmonks ($2.50 in chips)
365pokerplay: Post SB $0.01
zdl: Post BB $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zdl [DJ HJ]
Dealt to zigorrr [HA SJ]
zigorrr: Raise $0.10
nurf6: Fold
Pigstarocks: Fold
365pokerplay: Fold
zdl: Call $0.08
*** FLOP *** [S3 CJ C9]
zdl: Check
zigorrr: Bet $0.21
zdl: Call $0.21
*** TURN *** [SK]
zdl: Check
zigorrr: Check
*** RIVER *** [C6]
zdl: Check
zigorrr: Bet $0.20
zdl: Raise $0.40
zigorrr: Call $0.20
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.34 Rake $0.09
zdl: wins $1.34

Eu já tinha até feito note nesse cara falando que ele sempre jogava slowplay e só dava reraise no river com mãos muito fortes. Mas aqui eu realmente não esperava JJ. Mas acho que devia ter dado check no river também, pois ele poderia estar com um K esperando por uma aposta minha e isso já bastaria para ganhar de mim.

GAME #773218347: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-26 03:47:44
Table Abbas (Beginner)
Seat 1: nurf6 ($7.18 in chips)
Seat 2: Pigstarocks ($2.14 in chips)
Seat 3: 365pokerplay ($1.01 in chips)
Seat 5: zdl ($2.86 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: zigorrr ($10.03 in chips)
zigorrr: Post SB $0.01
nurf6: Post BB $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zigorrr [S8 DA]
Dealt to nurf6 [H6 DJ]
Pigstarocks: Fold
365pokerplay: Call $0.02
zdl: Fold
zigorrr: Raise $0.09
nurf6: Call $0.08
365pokerplay: Call $0.08
*** FLOP *** [C7 C9 CJ]
zigorrr: Bet $0.10
nurf6: Call $0.10
365pokerplay: Fold
*** TURN *** [DK]
zigorrr: Check
nurf6: Check
*** RIVER *** [H9]
zigorrr: Bet $0.20
nurf6: Call $0.20
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.84 Rake $0.06
nurf6: wins $0.84

Nessa mão eu já tava puto com esse cara, e fui jogando maos marginais fora de posicao e insistindo nas cbets, o que me fez perder mais dinheiro ainda.


GAME #773215187: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-26 03:39:46
Table Micronesia (Beginner)
Seat 4: ChrisTwist ($3.70 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: 365pokerplay ($1.57 in chips)
Seat 7: zigorrr ($7.32 in chips)
Seat 8: jmlpoker ($2.12 in chips)
365pokerplay: Post SB $0.01
zigorrr: Post BB $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChrisTwist [D9 DJ]
Dealt to zigorrr [H10 C10]
jmlpoker: Call $0.02
ChrisTwist: Call $0.02
365pokerplay: Call $0.01
zigorrr: Raise $0.12
jmlpoker: Fold
ChrisTwist: Call $0.12
365pokerplay: Fold
*** FLOP *** [H9 C6 H5]
zigorrr: Bet $0.30
ChrisTwist: Call $0.30
*** TURN *** [SJ]
zigorrr: Bet $1.00
ChrisTwist: Call $1.00
*** RIVER *** [CK]
zigorrr: Bet $1.00
ChrisTwist: Call $1.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.82 Rake $0.10
ChrisTwist: wins $4.82

Nessa mao acho que joguei certo até o flop. Só acho que não deveria ter apostado no river, já que qualquer K ou J ganharia de mim, e nesses níveis os idiotas parecem ficar felizes e dar call com qualquer figura na mão.


GAME #773213080: Texas Hold'em NL $0.01/$0.02 2007-12-26 03:34:34
Table Micronesia (Beginner)
Seat 2: nikul1234 ($0.85 in chips) DEALER
Seat 4: ChrisTwist ($1.86 in chips)
Seat 5: 365pokerplay ($1.61 in chips)
Seat 7: zigorrr ($9.31 in chips)
Seat 8: jmlpoker ($2.00 in chips)
ChrisTwist: Post SB $0.01
365pokerplay: Post BB $0.02
jmlpoker: Post BB $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChrisTwist [H3 C2]
Dealt to zigorrr [S5 SQ]
zigorrr: Raise $0.06
jmlpoker: Fold
nikul1234: Call $0.06
ChrisTwist: Call $0.05
365pokerplay: Call $0.04
*** FLOP *** [S2 D2 S3]
ChrisTwist: Bet $0.06
365pokerplay: Fold
zigorrr: Call $0.06
nikul1234: Fold
*** TURN *** [S9]
ChrisTwist: Bet $0.12
zigorrr: Call $0.12
*** RIVER *** [DQ]
ChrisTwist: Bet $0.18
zigorrr: Raise $0.80
ChrisTwist: Allin $1.44
zigorrr: Call $0.82
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.76 Rake $0.10
ChrisTwist: wins $3.76

Olha que escroto o jeito que eu joguei, mas realmente por um FullHouse eu não esperava...


Basicamente, preciso tomar cuidado com as minhas tiltadas, pois eu demoro bastante pra ganhar dinheiro de maneira sólida nessas mesas e o perco rapidinho com essas jogadas idiotas.

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